User talk:Aquillion

A Sock?

What are you talking about? I'm a human being. And why did you revert my edit without explanation? I am a new user but I've read deleting entire sections without explanation is called partial blanking vandalism and is frowned upon. I explained why I was adding the section on the discussion page. Why didn't you offer the same courtesy of discussing your edit/revert/whatever there? I intend to restore the section if I don't get a suitable explanation. If it happens again I intend to report your vandalism. Clear? --DKorn 01:48, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You are a new user who, immediately after joining, rushed to an article and immediately reverted to the favored version of a previous user who was recently blocked and who has employed several other obvious socks. I think you will be hard-pressed to find anyone who wouldn't assume you're a sock under such circumstances. If you don't want to be taken for a sockpuppet of another user, I suggest that stop acting like one. Abandon Ray Nagin for a week or so, go to other articles, and edit there constructively for a while instead of immediately devoting all your edits to backing up someone else who is known for using frequent socks. Aquillion 01:54, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Many Thanks

Thanks for supporting my RFA. It couldn't have happened without your effort. FeloniousMonk 18:08, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Freedom of religion

Aquillon, you wrote, "Worst of all, most of the religious people on Wikipedia seem to be Western Judeo-Christian faith; when religion is touched upon, this tends to slant it towards those faiths and away from many other major world faiths. "

This may be true to some extent but the current to-do list on the WikiProject does not reflect your opinion. There are many articles on the to-do list that I edited that, I have to admit, contain quite a lot of critical remarks, e.g. guru that user:Goethean complained about. Like Goethean, I am a Hindu, though a skeptical one, and the reason that that article and several other article contain sourced, notable attributed critical remarks as per the NPOV policy is not because it was edited by people with a "Western Judeo-Christian faith" but because I edited those articles.

If we really want to counter systematic bias following the NPOV policy then the solution is not to remove those critical remarks that perfectly follow NPOV policy but to insert more critical remarks at articles related to the " "Western Judeo-Christian faith", such as prophet, as I have already done a bit, though this is difficult for me, because I don't know much about the Abrahamic religions.

I also find the name of the project offensive, because I have not impeded anybody's freedom of religion. Andries 08:04, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for spotting the Skyscraper re-quote!

Do you agree that it's ok, or is it annoying? Trollderella 23:05, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything wrong with leading an article with a quote; like you said on talk, there didn't seem to be much consensus one way or the other when it came up on the village pump, and it does add a certain amount of character. But I don't think it's worth worrying too much over either way. Aquillion 23:08, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Able Danger and Nagin

The troll from 209.x.x.x appears to be the same person who has been making tendentious edits to the Able Danger article. Very similar modus operandi, just keep making edits to one copy of the article, reverting it repeatedly. It appears that this is also the same as Corwin8 who admits to being a paid political consultant. The reason the guy has changed his handle is that after calling me a liar and a NAZI he was likely to end up being blocked. --Gorgonzilla 02:00, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My RFA

Thank you very kindly for your support for my nomination. I promise your trust will not be misplaced; I may occasionally be slightly buzzed with power, but never drunk. ;) · Katefan0^(scribble) 22:29, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Memento

Thank you... I have one problem now... Memento is working and Memento (film) is working... but for some reason the link from Memento to the movie page redirects back at Memento, even though I've linked it correctly, and tried different linking methods. I couldn't find any redirection code or anything on the movie page... so I'm at a loss... Can you help? Sorry to bother you... -- NatsukiGirl\^talk 05:59, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RFM

Bizarre. I guess those others should just be restored. I'll do it if you don't want to. · Katefan0^(scribble) 22:35, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I completely understand. But I think it best to restore them just to avoid any suggested improprieties -- done now. Wouldn't worry about it too much, it's not really the place for that sort of thing. · Katefan0^(scribble) 22:44, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pure wiki deletion system

I see that you are a supporter of the Wikipedia:Pure wiki deletion system; we have moved the proposal page from meta to here, and are looking for supporters to add their names, and help in making the proposal specific and detailed. Join us! JesseW, the juggling janitor 07:51, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Deleting is like what happen When God said to U

instead of saying you are deleted

in the same tone God whispered "~~condemned to Hell~~"

So all wikipedians said "amen" U r deleted !

mem wo-men PLUs so how do U all feel , great?> yak..!Alien2 07:23, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

recomend all newbies to go [[1]] there is no delete policy for anyone except add-to-it!

Thank you!

A big thank you for your help and support, I look forward to meeting you in more productive contexts, Yours, Trollderella 23:55, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

More evacuation plan goodies

...happening on Karl Rove, in case you're interested. Suspected JCC sockpuppet User:DEastman showed up a few days ago, with User:John Henry soon following, so I became suspicious of that user too. And sure enough, today this John Henry user inserted some stuff about the evacuation plan. Just FYI. · Katefan0^(scribble) 19:03, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

I just wanted to say thank you for your support of my admin nomination. I look forward to the time when our Wikipedia paths, blended in amity, cross once again. —Wayward ^Talk 05:22, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hermione1980's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA; I really appreciate it! I will do my best to live up to the trust you've shown in me. Thanks, H e rmione1980 23:18, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hydrocarbons on other planets

This article has been rewritten to reflect current knowledge. I urge you to take a look at it and reconsider your delete vote. Thanks. Denni ☯ 03:10, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much

Thank you for your support Aquillion and much more thanks for your defence on my behalf, and understanding of some of the bad faith motives that some editors have been making against me. I look forward to working with you in the near future. :) --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 22:45, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for policing the Bollywood page

Thanks very much for removing the linkspam at Bollywood. Usually I'm the vandalism patrol, but I was busy this afternoon. Nice to get some help. Zora 07:20, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"FIRE"

Hi Aquillion -- since you have occasionally shown up to watch for abuses on the ACLU article, I was wondering if you could put the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education also on your watchlist? FIRE is sort of a "conservative" ACLU; in as much as the ACLU article usually gets POV and vandalism from the right, FIRE gets it from the left. The article just recently attracted a rather heavy POV-pusher, and I don't want it to be just a him-versus-me thing. If you could keep a watch and add your input, that would be very helpful. Thanks in advance. Sdedeo 07:46, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Compromise proposal on Template:Suicide

I have a possible solution to the dispute on Template talk:Suicide#Compromise proposal. When you have time, take a look at it and note your possible assent or not in the appropriate section. Thanks! — Phil Welch 22:29, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thank you so much for your support of my RfA, I guess you don't have to be Bernard Lewis to be an admin after all! Thanks again, I really appreciate it! Ramallite ^(talk) 04:00, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

WP:5P

Hello,

Do you have a couple of minutes?

I'm busy debugging policy right now, and I'm interested in the following question:

How did you make the distinction between policy and essay in the case of WP:5P, to reach the conclusion you made in this [2] rv. ?

Which factors did you take into account, which previous knowlege, which procedures, etc?

Thanks for your time! Kim Bruning 04:54, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting answer. Thank you! Kim Bruning 06:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

KI's RFA

Thanks for the support, KI 01:40, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Frustration with 'voting' on AfD

I saw your comments on the Village Pump on vote solicitation. I've also been quite frustrated at the way 'voting' goes on AfD, and have stayed away from it for a while, as it was taking a day-and-a-half to wade through one days's worth of nominations. I've been kicking an idea around some, but but it feels too clunky and to fit in Wikipedia. If you are interested in talking about possibly doing something about AfD 'votes', drop me a line. -- Donald Albury (Dalbury)^(Talk) 23:54, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, OK. I'm not fond of that proposal. Oh well. -- Donald Albury (Dalbury)^(Talk) 01:00, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know? {{prod}} can have a parameter.

Hello there. You have proposed the article Forever Autumn for deletion without providing a reason why in the {{prod}} template. You may be interested to know that you can add your reasoning like that: {{prod|Add reason for deletion here}}. This will make your reasoning show up in the article's deletion notice. It will also aid other users in considering your suggestion on the Proposed Deletions log. See also: How to propose deletion of an article. Sandstein 17:31, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yahwism

Aguillion, I am not going to revert your restoration of this article. But what should I do? The contents is false. Since it is false, I doubt that one can find scholarship to support it. I asked the author of the article to provide sources, and he replied evasively. I did research and the only biblical historian I could find who uses the word Yahwism is John Noth, so I put that - with a citation - into the article. Do you know of any scholarship that supports the article? Why has Thadman not provided any sources or citations, even when asked to? Slrubenstein | Talk 15:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: welcome

Amazing how much some train-watchers care about their passion, isn't it? Anyway, thanks, that's very helpful. I retracted my warning to 81.104.165.184, so hopefully now this whole thing is behind us. TheJabberwʘck 04:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chironares

Thanks for giving Chironares a nod in the right direction. :) - Mgm|^(talk) 18:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don't understand your opinion.

Hi, you made a comment earlier [3] and I don't understand it all. I started the poll to get a broader range of peoples' opinions, especially people unassociated with the article. I'd like to understand what you mean. Thanks. Ste4k 17:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've replied to your comment over on my page. Just letting you know. Ste4k 19:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Idindji

Thanks for that information. They are probably encyclopedic, but I deleted the article based on the fact that there was very little content and no context. Academic Challenger 07:57, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA

Thankyou for your participation in my RfA. Due to an almost even spread of votes between Oppose and Support (Final (16/13/6)) I have decided to withdraw for now and re-apply in a couple of months as suggested. I thank everyone for their kind support of my editorial skills; it meant a lot to me to get such strong recommendations from my fellow editors. If you ever have any hints as to how I can improve further, I would love to hear from you. Viridae ^Talk 15:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Warcraft AfD

The whole vote is bad faith, the person who started it even said so himself. Why did you open it again? Havok (T/C/c) 14:32, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Point of clarification: I have never said that the AfD was in bad faith. It is rather impossible for me to make objective assessments of my own actions anyhow. If you object to the reopening, then WP:AN is the place to bring it up as Aquillion isn't a sysop himself. — Kaustuv Chaudhuri 23:24, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

re: Kino's Journey

Hey, I've been revamping the Kino's Journey page. Got any screenshots for the list of episodes page? Want to help? Best -- choi9999

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Sorry

If my post to Chairboy on AN/I confused you, I apologize. It was an inside joke between him and I about something he had said to me the other day. As far as I know, he was simply providing the link to the essay on "wrong version protected". I'm not aware that either he or myself are involved in the article being reported. Lsi john 20:58, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops. I got the names mixed up... it was Chairboy's comment that confused me, not yours. Oh well... it doesn't really matter, since User:CBM, who the complaint was directed at, wasn't the one who protected that page either. --Aquillion 21:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Corporatism

Hi. You wrote: "rm. quote. One person's quote does not illustrate or significantly describe larger popular usage." I agree. That is solved by adding more quotes. Please see Wikipedia:Guidelines for controversial articles. These type of popular use sections on wikipedia pages are common. They have to start somewhere. An anonymous user added the quote. It is wrong to delete sourced info, especially from newcomers. See WP:BITE. The quote is accurate. I listened to the NPR audio online. You can too. --Timeshifter 05:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are numerous problems with the quotation in any case. First, it is not describing Corporatism, merely using the word in passing. A quotation intended to illustrate usage should focus on the word itself, preferably exclusively. Second, it isn't a 'popular' usage of corporatism by any stretch of the imagination--it comments on the present U.S. healthcare system, calling it corporatism, which is not part of any widely-accepted popular usage that I am aware. This isn't an article on the U.S. healthcare system, so it hardly belongs there. Additionally, the text made no effort to work the quotation into a discussion of how the term is used more broadly; I do not think, given the tangental and unrepresentitive nature of the quote, that it is possible to work it into a discussion of how it is used more broadly. Finally, and given the above, it's worth pointing out that Ron Paul has some very enthusiatic supporters online, to the point where quotes and references to him are frequently mentioned in inappropriate places by his supporters online; I think that, given the generally tangental and inapplicible nature of this quote to the place it was put, its extremely inapproprate length, the way in which it focused more on Ron Paul's views than on the article's subject, and the fact that no effort was made to work it into the text, it is plain that the anonymous user who added was influenced by their desire to insert as many references to Ron Paul as possible. While we certainly shouldn't WP:BITE new users, they do often fail to understand Wikipedia policies; WP:AGF does not mean we cannot fix their mistakes when they make them. This quote is, plainly and unquestionably, a mistake... if you must have a quote there, find one by a well-known scholar and use that, one talking primarily about corporatism and not something else. Using random tangentials on the U.S. healthcare system just because they happen to have the word 'corporatism' in them will detract more than it informs. --Aquillion 15:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point about scholarly usage versus usage in partisan politics. Maybe the section title should be changed from "In popular usage" to "In popular culture". I think that would be more accurate. Scholarly usage is already covered in the article. Many articles have sections about popular usage in popular culture. That is what I was referring to, not popular scholarly usage. See Mark Twain in popular culture, The Thunder, Perfect Mind#In contemporary culture, etc.. For many more examples:

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awikipedia.org+%22popular+culture%22 --Timeshifter 16:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image Issues

Known Issue, moan at Wp:TWINKLE, I've already mentioned it once to them. Sfan00 IMG 09:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Star Control template

OK, I've restored it. I honestly didn't think anyone would revert all those redirects without talking to me about it. If you're interested in discussing the merits of the merge, by the way, Kizor and I are doing so. Andre (talk) 05:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just so you understand why I deleted it -- after substing it on the List article I had made, it wasn't used on any articles, so I deleted it per the CSD on housekeeping. Andre (talk) 06:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

speedy keep

thank, that was the first good explanation of the speedy keep, I appreciate your taking the time. Pdbailey 12:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pete and Repeat

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AfD nomination of List of grassroots organizations

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can you advise?

Hi, I see your recent edit at Wind power. I presume the "wind-watch" site is skewed to promote wind power?

On a broader level, I do think we should make a determined effort to produce a scientifically cautious perspective. I'm certainly an advocate of wind power, but WP's article, I believe, will have more authority in the tangled web of power-generation politics and emissions policy if it is seen to be carefully NPOV. What do you think? Tony (talk) 04:02, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree with your reply. However, just one point: (from credible peer-reviewed journals when writing about scientific topics, for instance) then we'll end up with an NPOV article naturally"—pharameceutical companies are well-known for funding lots of studies of their products, but vetoing the publication of all but those that cast the products in a positive light. WP can't escape the need to assess, summarise, choose, and that by itself is hard to differentiate, on occasions, from the NOR doctrine. This is not widely enough acknowledge, IMO. Tony (talk) 07:03, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AfD

Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moonies Borock (talk) 07:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You er...

...might want to sign this! Thanks for your support, though, it's very much appreciated! HJMitchell You rang? 13:40, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RfA Thanks

My RFA →→→

Dear Aquillion, here is a little note to say thank you for your kind vote on my request for adminship which failed with a final result of (40/19/12).

Thank you for your participation in my RfA which I withdrew after concerns of my knowledge of policy. Special thanks are owed to Coffee, who defended me throughout and whom I cannot thank enough for the nomination; to 2over0 for being supportive and helpful; to A Stop at Willoughby for the thorough, thoughtful and articulate support rationale; to IP69.226.103.13 for maintaining composure and for a pleasant interaction on my talk page and, last but not least, to Juliancolton who was good enough to close the RfA at my request and, frankly, because an editor whom I respect so much found the time to support me! If the need for more admins at the main page is still apparent in a few months, I may try again. Thank you all for a relatively drama-free RfA and for providing me with much material from which to learn from my mistakes. You're all welcome to drop by my talk page any time. God save the ~~Queen~~ Wiki! HJMitchell You rang? 20:33, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Opinion on inclusion of keys?

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Give me a break

There is little point in bending over backwards to excuse Ryulong's attempts to make me look as bad as possible by skewing a source's already debatable interpretation to be slanderous. He could have provided my original quote that Isquith uses, but no, he very deliberately put the worst spin imaginable on it. His agenda is clear, and it has no business on Wikipedia. You can deal with the problem or ignore it, but until it is fixed, I can only hope *not* to be cited on that page. Auerbachkeller (talk) 15:20, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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GamerGate draft

This edit is not correct. As far as I can tell, that is the only section mentioning the existence of female and minority GamerGate supporters. Even though it was watered down from the previous version that simply noted their existence as fact, the material you removed was still better than not speaking to their existence at all. Would you please restore that material?--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 04:23, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Some stroopwafels for you!

Because you could use a tasty treat. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 00:55, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A little credit where credit is due

Hi, Aquillion -- I just wanted to take a moment to note that I found this to be a very well-phrased and on-point analysis of the relevant policy issues with regard to that contentious matter. You found a way to talk about the problematic nature of that content that didn't rely on condemnation of the parties behind the sources or our own involved editors, but which rather focused instead only on the relevant policy and community consensus. I like a well-constructed, well-presented and neutral argument, so... . :) Snow ^{let's rap} 05:05, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Fixed Thought I'd take a look at it. Turns out that the paragraph you removed was duplicated in the article. I've removed it. — Strongjam (talk) 01:13, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments on Political Correctness article edits.

Aquillion, thank you for your comment in support of the fact that I had indeed cited reliable sources for everything I had added to the Political Correctness article in reference to the writings of Geo. Orwell. Much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Professor JR (talk • contribs) 15:58, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

I responded at BLPN, but I'm not sure if the ping worked.Anythingyouwant (talk) 12:56, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

RFC closure challenge

The closing of an RFC in which you participated, is being challenged at WP:AN#RFC closure challenge - Cwobeel (talk)

‎News sources as primary

Under no circumstances are news sources of this sort considered secondary sources in biography or other kinds of history: they date from the event in question and are part of the event, not an impassionate outside source writing by reviewing things created during the event. You may wish to go through the review literature published in The Journal of American History (these reviews are tertiary sources, consisting of scholarly critiques of secondary sources) and see how many newspapers are reviewed there. Or if you disagree with the number of news articles reviewed there, you may wish to complain to the editor; after working with him a couple years ago, I can guess his response. But I'm not going to bother doing anything: I'm tired of getting overwhelmed by Randies who think they know scholarly terminology better than professional scholars do. Just don't get surprised that the backlogs get bigger when you drive off the administrators who spend their time trying to close them in accordance with the strongest discussion points, rather than by vote counting. And don't be surprised when you try to use newspapers as secondary sources in medical articles, since the medical editors have done a good job of documenting professional standards in their disciplines. Nyttend (talk) 01:59, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You may wish to consult with Britannica's editors and ask whether encyclopedia writing be different from scholarly writing. I will continue to enforce the actual sourcing standards demanded by the terminology in the relevant policy, "A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge" (in this case, interpretation is necessary to determine that it's a critical event warranting intro mention), so it would be appreciated if you'd stop trying to convince me that sword-wielding skeletons were involved in the Peloponnesian War. You will hear no more from me on this topic until you can get Ed Linenthal to contact me (he has my email address) and tell me that you're right. Nyttend (talk) 02:24, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What I find fascinating is the appeal to authority here, as if Wikipedia needs to follow a scholar's best practices. If that was the case, we will not have Wikipedia, we would have Citizendium, and we all know where that ended up. What is also amazing to me is that an editor with 180,000 edits in WP and an admin to boot can be so wrong. - Cwobeel (talk) 04:15, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

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"rv; the list of examples isn't duplicated, no. And you know this is the case, since you've argued against their inclusion before." (Antifeminism)

It's a bit weird to respond to an edit summary via a talk page, maybe, but you addressed me directly and I wasn't going to make an edit just to reply in the history. Anyhow, the beginning of the sentence I removed was absolutely duplicated, word for word, and needed to be removed in one place or other. The second example in the sentence wasn't duplicated, true, which I actually hadn't noticed when I first made the revision. When I did notice it, I thought about editing it into the sentence I'd kept, but that example itself had been part of the whole back-and-forth revising when the duplication happened (first there was no second example, then I added one, then my addition was replaced with this different one) and I wasn't sure what to do about it, so I decided to let that be for the moment. JudahH (talk) 20:38, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I realized I'd been confused by that after I posted it (and started to make an edit to merge the two versions together, but someone else already did it.) Sorry about that. --Aquillion (talk) 20:52, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NP; glad that detail got sorted out quickly, at least. JudahH (talk) 20:59, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Near Death Experiences

Hello Aquillon

hope u r well

You made the following edit:

Connection to the cultural beliefs held by the individual, which seem to dictate the phenomena experienced in the NDE and the later interpretation thereof.^[1]

to the near death experiences page - could you please add the page of the book from which citation is taken ? because citation does not sound right to me

Best

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no one but liberland claims the area

only the government of liberland claims the area. crroatia even said the ydo not claim the area but that they think Serbia claims the area even after the Serbian government released an official statement that they did not claim the area. So no country other than liberland controls the area — Preceding unsigned comment added by Splashyelephant2003 (talk • contribs) 00:05, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There were two refs stating that the land is claimed by both; I've added a third one. Jedlička says that Serbia and Croatia do not claim the land, but most sources disagree with him. --Aquillion (talk) 01:34, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reversions to the Gamergate lede

Could you clarify what you meant in your edit summary on the GGC talk page(apologies if you have and I missed it)? I don't really get what you mean, and how it applies to the email campaign. Best Wishes. Brustopher (talk) 00:00, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dammit, the second part of my edit summary got cut-off (that part was referring to the second sentence); after the comma, it also said that I wasn't sure the email campaigns were high enough priority to put in the lead. But thinking about it, it might be worth mentioning them... let me try another way of putting it. --Aquillion (talk) 00:04, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Re:GamerGate

Main concern there is redundancy. Compare the second paragraph to the third:

"In the 4chan post that Ars Technica said may have coined the hashtag"
"reported that a series of logs from 4chan chat rooms and discussion boards indicated that the #NotYourShield hashtag was created on 4chan"

This is saying the same thing. It's important to note Ars is citing the logs, but it's essentially a drawn out version of the sentence in the preceding paragraph. Which is why I discussed it with the other editor on his talk page. Wouldn't referring to the logs in the second paragraph provide enough information given what's said in the previous one?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:46, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps simply move the second sentence to the first paragraph, give it some needed length? When read aloud it does feel like it's repeating itself. What do you think?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:24, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Holden, Janice Miner (2009). The Handbook of Near-death Experiences: Thirty Years of Investigation. Library of Congress Cataloging in Publishing Data.

Moral panic

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damn good argument

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(talk page stalker) @Liz: The lead author has uploaded it here. — Strongjam (talk) 13:42, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Strongjam, that's exactly what I was looking for! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 13:46, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I collapsed a discussion that you had responded to, because the individual in question was an antisemitic troll who's a regular at the refdesks. If a brand new account mentions the refdesk and Jews at the same time, feel free to just revert. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:47, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm happy to have it moved. As you probably know Guzman put a completely misrepresentative quote there so to avoid edit warring I added the rest. Useful quote though I think. Doug Weller talk 05:22, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I reverted your removal of those statements because the reasons you stated don't appear to hold up. There is no question that those two people accused Puar of those things - BLP is not applicable, so I have reverted those edits of yours. However, you could argue that those two folks' opinions are represented in the article with WP:UNDO weight. Toddst1 (talk) 20:12, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Controversial Reddit communities

Afternoon, I would appreciate your input to an RFC introduced by an SPA relating to the inclusion of SRS in the "Controversial Reddit communities". SPA has canvassed to overturn 3 years of consensus on a 4 day vote. Koncorde (talk) 15:09, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your participation in discussion.

I explained on the article talk page.

That section is only for one organization's statements, not all info on all unrelated other rewards.

Hope you can understand. Sagecandor (talk) 23:34, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I would gladly self-revert, but it seems moot at this point in time. Sagecandor (talk) 23:36, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rewards section

I created a separate Rewards section.

Look better ?

Sagecandor (talk) 23:57, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hope it looks better now ?

Sorry about all that.

Thanks again for your participation.

Again, my apologies and I would self-revert, but I think at this point in time it is more in line with what you were thinking with one main "Rewards" section.

Hope that's okay with you ?

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altleft

i have found links for people who have been calling themselves altleft since 2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alt-left#The_Alt-Left_already_existed_prior_to_reinvention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alt-left#irl_altleft_movement https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2015/08/18/proposal-for-an-alternative-left/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternativeLeft/ https://www.facebook.com/alternativeleft/ https://altleftjournal.wordpress.com/ http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.co.il/2016/09/a-proposal-for-alt-left-political.html https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2016/10/26/liberal-race-realism-precursor-to-the-alt-left/ http://altleft.com/2015/11/14/a-clockwork-greenshirt-introducing-the-alt-left/ https://web.archive.org/web/20151119073815/http://altleft.com 110.141.68.184 (talk) 00:54, 25 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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You were right about the Antisemitism in the UK Labour Party revert. I thought that the paragraph had been in for longer than it had, so thought that the version with it in was the stable version, but it was only her 1-sentence bit that had been in for a while. Sorry about that. EddieHugh (talk) 19:11, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I've explained on talk why the order I edited the Ideology section was important to readers, and I strongly feel this is appropriate... but at the very least you should not see it is very critical overall. We're still working on that section, and becoming petty about ordering is the least you should worry about. It is unnecessary to revert my change, spiteful, and smacks of wanting to have the last word and impose. Sometimes, its ok to just let non-harmful edits sit for a day, wait for responses on talk, and then agree on a direction. If we move back to the order I had, with the sourced self-statements (quote and "nonpartisan terms" line), neither of which we much disagree about, we can probably move the dispute tag below it in that section.

Secondly, your reversions to my edit clearly included errors on your part and untrue accusations of errors against me, saying I had made "presumably-accidental changes" but in the same edit you re-added the duplication I had fixed, which you later caught on to. You also made the mistake of re-added "consistently" which is totally inappropriate editorialization, of course, which you also had to later fix.

Third, the word "Nonetheless" is also editorializing on your part. It is a word that strongly implies that what preceded it is actually incorrect... which a subjective viewpoint with no definitive stance can't be. I don't think that's your intent, but that's what the word implies.

So, please, in good faith, self revert back to my last edit in the interest making the section order more readable, but feel free to keep the this>their change. -- Netoholic @ 06:34, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I have your TP watchlisted for some reason - RE this - DS alerts run out after 1 year and need to be renewed for notification to be in place. See Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions#Alerts - alert.dup. Icewhiz (talk) 07:50, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I realized that later. Oh man, has it been that long? I feel old. --Aquillion (talk) 07:57, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's sort of the standard knee-jerk response to DS alerts. They are supposed to be informational, but with the carefully crafted jargon (including "This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.") they really come of as very unfriendly (as if you were handed a court summons or something). Icewhiz (talk) 08:54, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there- I realise this was from a few days ago, but I read what you wrote on the talkpage, and thought it was really good. As it looks like your suggestions seem to have got lost in the discussion, I thought to drop you a line here (apologies if it's not correct wikiettiqutte). At one point I was trying to expand the history section to introduce some of that information, but wasn't quite sure how to lay it all out. (How much under straight history, and how much under political stances/whatever you want to call it) I'm good with history, but haven't written about politics at all so far, and well as you mentioned, that's what the paper is known for, hence all the debate. After researching it seems obvious to me that the article should follow lines similar to those you started on; there is so much material out there, and its really quite interesting; seems a shame not to be able to write what could actually be a decent, informative article, using academic sources. For instance I found a great article on the early cartoonists, and how they shook up how political cartooning evolved in Australia. Not to mention all the rest of it. Would you be interested in trying? I thought perhaps trying to build a section up in a sandbox first might work. Curdle (talk) 08:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Task and Purpose, blog?

Can you please elaborate on how you reached, your conclusion that Task and Purpose is a “blog”. I did some digging and weighed in on the Reliable sources. I do not concur with the assessment Task and Purpose is a blog. I think it meets the criteria for wp:rs. Certainly want to hear how you came to that conclusion. In fact the writer of the Nathan Phillips Stolen valor is listed as and editor in cheif Paul Szoldra. Can you also source the claim that Buisness Insider didn’t exert editorial oversight when they republished that story? I don’t think they did, but I can’t source either or, but assume based on my research of Task and a Purpose that they meet the journalistic standard and Buisness Week concurs. I just want to ensure we don’t have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Status_quo_stonewalling#Unreasonable_sourcing_demands occurring here.0pen$0urce (talk) 06:27, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, just to following up since I don’t see a reply. Made some bold claims about “Task and Purpose”. Can you source these claims, because at this juncture seems subjective and POV. Here’s 2 sources that rebut your unsubstantiated blog claims. Furthermore proclaiming a blog and spouting BLP repeatedly create a perception that your intentions may not be NPOV. Again scrutinizing sources is great, until it enters the threshold status quo stonewalling. https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/news-opinion/the-far-right-is-attacking-task-purpose-a-popular-military-website

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/a-popular-military-website-is-attacked-from-the-right/567598/0pen$0urce (talk) 19:19, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. Just a friendly note about this edit, since I had just recently copyedited the comma back in. When writing the full month-day-year, American English style, a comma should be placed after both the day and the year (thought the first link does acknowledge that there is one major grammar source which has opined it is unnecessary when used as an adjective). [4][5][6] Grandpallama (talk) 10:54, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not unclear

This is the source of his claim she was laughing at male suicide. ^[1]

A more charitable interpretation is that she was visibly and audibly laughing at the idea of a MP wanting to discuss male issues like elevated level of suicide and prostrate cancer in Parliament. But by no means groundless, possible less than charitable an interpretation at best.

He has stated many times this exchange is the reason for his dislike of her and for his opinion of her laughing at male suicide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vingthorr (talk • contribs) 06:47, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First, that's an opinion piece. Second, nothing in it even remotely suggests that she was laughing at male suicide. --Aquillion (talk) 16:29, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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^ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11962537/Whats-so-funny-about-a-mens-rights-debate.html

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Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! For being real about reliable sources. Have a beer mate! Bacondrum (talk) 02:25, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey, the kids at Call-out culture are back at it, adding back in excessive and unreliable sources, again. I'm done fighting the dodgy citations on the page, not by choice, but hey I don't want to get blocked. Would you be interested in casting some uninvolved eyes over the new section? Cheers Bacondrum (talk) 08:18, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. About [7], I understand your view, but please note that it was going from 2 sources to 1, not 3 to one (I used the wrong summary, and explained my mistake in my next edit) Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 07:06, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And about this, you're both right. Everything else and this fade with time. Not just in the future or on September 8, 2019, but constantly, even right now. Nothing good can last, nothing bad can last and everything in between is always the same. Anyway, don't think too hard about it, whatever it's all about. Just keep on keeping on, fellow traveler, and say hi to Danny for me! InedibleHulk (talk) 09:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Aquillion. I am looking for advice on how to handle an who isn't logged in, who appears to be the same person but whose IP keeps changing. You've already responded once to their addition of a NPOV tag to List of concentration and internment camps. They've now also taken their problem with the camps in question to Internment by removing the entry from that page as well.

They've now pinged, Sir Joseph, who specifically asked not to be pinged on Talk:List of concentration and internment camps back in August and who is currently blocked. They've also pinged Hurledhandbook, who hasn't been active anywhere since mid-July, and was never active aside from these two articles.

All of their arguments are a rehash of what was discussed during the "List of concentration and internment camps" RfC, including that they think the entry should be removed for factually incorrect, and I said as much. I don't know what else to do.

So, my questions are 1) should I continue to ping Sir Joseph? 2) How does it work to bring up a previously-settled argument in this way? As I responded to them once, I'm not really interested in relitigating old arguments with someone new who hasn't brought any new sources to reevaluate the section. And 3) how does it usually go when two articles with similar subject matter have that material challenged on one page, where it's upheld? Basically, does the RfC conclusion to keep the migrant concentration camps on "List of concentration and internment camps" have any bearing on whether the entry should remain on "Internment," with respect to its factual accuracy?

Apologies for this being a bit long. I hope it isn't too much.

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Regarding this edit and similar ones: ordinarily I wouldn't bring up typos. However in this specific case, I just wanted to note that though I'm sure most people just substitute "deprecated" wherever you wrote "depreciated", it's a little jarring when you write about how the proposal in question may redefinine "depreciated". It's not a big issue but a bit ironic given that you are arguing for maintaining a standard definition, yet are mistyping the word. isaacl (talk) 20:15, 28 November 2019

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Hi, I reverted your edit in the article Qasem Soleimani since it was obviously a mistake, the person is dead (read the article) and WP:BLP does not apply here. --Z 06:18, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Right-libertarianism

Hi, could you please help with that discussion? It really doesn't seem to end and JLMadrigal seems to be always asking something more, continuing to deny the common name and making this edit to make it sound like right-libertarianism isn't a real thing, but just a made-up term used to distinguish various forms of libertarianism; as both Pfhorrest and I explained, the article isn't about the term but about the concept, so adding that to the lead isn't necessary (there's the Definition section for that), is an unusual way to start a lead and Right-libertarianism is contrasted with left-libertarianism, a type of libertarianism that combines self-ownership with an egalitarian approach to natural resources.[11] In contrast to socialist libertarianism,[4] right-libertarianism tends to support free-market capitalism.[1] is a better and more concise way to say that. What do you think? Should I revert that?--Davide King (talk) 16:07, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's still going on and I'm honestly really tired. I worked on wording for compromise, but they seem no happy unless they get their own exact wording. I don't really think there's a big issue, if there's any, at all. I think Pfhorrest hit the nail in the coffin here, here, here and here, but it never ends.--Davide King (talk) 14:03, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Aquillion, I just read the thread you started last year at Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability/Archive_68#WP:ONUS_vs._WP:QUO. I wholeheartedly agree this needs to be clarified, and I think a majority of the comments in the thread did too. Did you ever take it any further? Onceinawhile (talk) 19:22, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have started an RfC. Onceinawhile (talk) 11:05, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Questions about appropriate use of source

Hi, I see what you mean about the source you questioned. I am not familiar with the NGO Monitor. I found their report interesting due ot the amount of data reviewed. Is there a way to use the source other than being for the truth of all their facts? Or are such sources partisan forbidden for any use? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Soros&diff=prev&oldid=960732266 Thank you! --Ihaveadreamagain (talk) 17:52, 4 June 2020 (UTC)Ihaveadreamagain[reply]

hi, I also see you are using press releases as sources, that is most certainly not allowed as a valid source and especially not in the IP area. You have also removed valid sources that support NGO Monitor. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 16:58, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Matt Taibbi is a well established and repected author. I wouldn't describe his piece as 'random'. It is relevant.

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You straight up put out fake facts about trump I don’t even like trump like past republicans but this was a joke by you BrianMcGuinn (talk) 23:58, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Has it been another year already? Jesus, time flies. FWIW I believe I was a party to the original Gamergate Arbcom case, so. --Aquillion (talk) 04:48, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi,

In the recent BLPN discussion (now archived) I asked you to substantiate the claims you made at BLPN or implicitly in your edit. You never replied.

Maybe I wasn't being clear, so I'll ask again and expand. Does The New Republic source (a piece by author Colin Dickey) support these claims:

"speculating ... that Trump will go to prison"
"speculating since at least August 2018"

? If the answer to these questions is "yes", would you kindly explain a) where the source makes these claims and b) why focusing on #1 does not give undue weight to certain views?

Thanks, Politrukki (talk) 13:39, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is quite likely that I based using it there off the fact that it was used to cite similar things in the lead (and hadn't been challenged there, so I assumed that was good); if it doesn't support it then feel free to take it out. --Aquillion (talk) 08:28, 24 December 2020 (UTC) (moved from my user talk page) Politrukki (talk) 21:48, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not challenged? Not true. I already referenced the talk page challenges in my last message to the BLPN discussion. This is a timeline of relevant edits:

18:13, 28 November 2020 – original edit
18:23, 28 November 2020 – challenged
18:25, 28 November 2020‎ – restored
18:34, 28 November 2020 – article fully protected
18:41, 28 November 2020 – challenged (though full protection)
14:15, 3 December 2020 – restored
19:24, 5 December 2020 – challenged
22:52, 5 December 2020 – restored

The last edit is also the last edit before your edit. As you can see here, the edit was challenged by three different editors.

Thanks for the discussion. I will revert your bold addition. Politrukki (talk) 21:48, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi again. I have got an answer from the editor closing one of the RfCs at Talk:Bitcoin Cash now. See User talk:MJL#Closure challenge. Taking that into account it appears best if you helped to reformulate the RfC. Ladislav Mecir (talk) 00:38, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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can I use your content?

Hi! I found your explanation good. Can I use this in the statistics section here? In fact I'd like to use the whole portion there if possible.. Vikram Vincent 04:00, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, go ahead, though when it comes to statistics one extension of what I said there that I didn't bring up is that ideally it's best to cite secondary sources covering statistical studies (ones that can provide interpretation and analysis to say what the numbers mean, taking methodology, context, any limitations of the study, etc. into account) rather than citing primary sources of statistical data directly, for much the same reasons. --Aquillion (talk) 04:13, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cool! Thanks. Vikram Vincent 08:59, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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They're not wrong, though. That project has been inactive for over a decade and was tagged as defunct back in 2012. --Aquillion (talk) 11:58, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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HAU journal.

Hi Aquillion, would you suggest to delete the entire controversy section of the journal HAU as it's based on sources Wikipedia doesn't consider legitimate, such as blogposts about living persons? Thestudentspirit (talk) 17:50, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that was why I deleted it. I left the one decent source (and found another one, although it's from the same site) and wrote a little bit covering it - I don't think those are a problem, so a few sentences summarizing them are fine. We could expand from there if other good sources can be found, or a bit more can be added from those two sources, but we definitely can't cite a massive section making extremely WP:BLP-sensitive claims about specific individuals to stuff like blog posts, Google docs, pastebins, and primary sources. And in general the scale of the section was probably WP:UNDUE in the first place given how slight WP:RS coverage was. --Aquillion (talk) 17:54, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, makes sense, the only citable sources are either the InsideHighered piece or the Chronicle of Higher Ed piece then? If any of them are included it should be both. And the fact they they contradict eachother should be highlighted, InsideHigherEd publishes allegations from personal websites, while the Chronicle piece dispels them after a journalistic investigation. There is also a Quillette piece which is well researched and from a reputable source. Can this be cited? Thestudentspirit (talk) 14:50, 13 April 2021 (UTC)thestudentspirit[reply]

Coda Story

I saw your post about Coda Story at WP:RSN and wanted to say that I broadly agree with what you wrote. I was loathe to cast a !vote in that RfC, because I felt that it was a misuse of the RSN - bringing a vague RfC about a source in general in order to try to settle a dispute about a specific use of the source in a particular context. However, after seeing that the RfC was going ahead anyways, and after reading more about Coda Story, I decided to write up my views on Coda Story in general, only to see that the RfC had been closed.

Two things I noticed about Coda Story:

They mix opinion and fact fairly freely. I would describe most of their content as essay-style, rather than straight news reporting.
They publish what I would describe as one-sided "hit pieces" fairly often. They recently published a piece about two popular Chinese YouTubers who make videos about their lives in rural China. The videos are basically arts-and-crafts videos, without words, set in the countryside. I think most people watch them as a form of escapism. Coda Story strongly implies - without presenting any actual evidence - that these Chinese YouTubers are somehow government propagandists. The Coda Story article has a lot of lines like this: Both women have faced accusations of providing content that serves the interests of the Communist Party of China. Accusations by whom? There's a strong Fox-News-esque "people are saying" vibe here. The only "evidence" that Coda Story really gives is that the women who make the videos are Chinese and not banned by the government, and that the videos might help improve the image of China. In other words, the Coda Story piece feels very much like an attempt to take down two apolitical arts-and-crafts videographers from China for the sole reason that they might inadvertently give people a positive image of China. Given that Coda Story is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, I guess this isn't surprising. I'm concerned that editors might start using Coda Story articles to insert poorly grounded attacks on living persons, especially now that it's gotten the green stamp of approval.

Anyways, this turned into more than I expected to write. Happy editing, -Thucydides411 (talk) 09:08, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Formulating RFC

Hi Aquillion, please can you help with formulating an RFC on Covid-19 in WP:MEDRS? Can I send you my draft by email?CutePeach (talk) 16:54, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Antifa dispute.

Hey to stop the back and forth I created a dispute resolution here. [8]3Kingdoms (talk) 19:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A Barnstar for you!

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FYI

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The RfC at WT:BMI

Hi there! I notice this RfC is still rumbling on (and not, I think, in a good way). If you judge your question has been answered the way is open to you simply to remove the {{rfc}} tag and put it out of its misery, per WP:RFCEND. Personally, I think this would be a good thing given how stretched editing resources are over the COVID topics, since the open RfC seems to be encouraging wibble. Alexbrn (talk) 07:02, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

HAU dispute

You've probably got a few pings from it already, but I thought I'd ask if you could contribute to this discussion at Talk:HAU: Journal of Ethnographic Theory#HAU controversies section, since you edited the page in a related dispute a couple months ago. Thanks! —Wingedserif (talk) 17:20, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Banned sockpuppet at Talk:Race and intelligence

I don't know what the convention is but the sockpuppet's remarks are still visible (indeed, for visitors using screen-readers, the strikeout is ignored). Per WP:BMB, should we not simply delete and replace with a simple note saying something like "background noise"? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 22:16, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to do so, I have no objections. I've seen people do both depending on how many people participated in the conversation and whether there is anything worth retaining. They could be removed, or anything that hasn't gotten a reply could be removed, or they could be collapsed, or archived immediately since it is very unlikely the conversations will continue. --Aquillion (talk) 05:46, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Psst

Hey, I was going to look for the proper place to post, maybe just at ANI, but there's at minimum meatpuppeting if not also socking, but maybe concerted brigading organized from an outside source over at Julia Salazar. Look at the contribution history of those accounts that came out of nowhere. Not all of them, but the first few and the quick response times. I didn't correct, for instance, the good-faith moving of the standard "Early life and education" section header and order into a non-standard sub of "Personal details", or respond further on the Talk to see how many more might show up. Not a problem that you did of course, it's a tricky allegation, but wanted to give you the heads up, as I might post later today if I can find the right venue and the time. Cheers, JesseRafe (talk) 13:38, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't going to say anything yet, but it may be worth looking at banned users who have edited that page in the past. In particular, E.M.Gregory (talk · contribs) was banned for extensive sockpuppetry, and was also heavily focused on that page for a while, so if you suspect someone might be a sockpuppet the first thing I would do is compare them to him and his socks, see if it seems likely that one or more people is him, and if so start putting together evidence for WP:SPI. Other banned users who edited it include Icewhiz (talk · contribs) and SunCrow (talk · contribs), but they are less likely both because they made fewer edits there and because AFAIK there's no reason to think they've socked in the past, whereas E.M.Gregory was abusing sockpuppets even before he was banned. --Aquillion (talk) 23:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I was specifically looking at the ODDoom99 and the Knowitall who sound a lot more like the Competition Lawyer or whatever. And, of course, the 24...IP who followed me around for months and there's a lot of stuff at ANI about those accounts and this particular article. One of the "new" ones even "found" the buried in the middle of my user talk Julia Salazar section instead of starting a new one -- I don't archive and it's 530kB, so they didn't just read it and find it in situ. Thanks for the reminder about those older accounts too. Will maybe put it together tomorrow. JesseRafe (talk) 13:21, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, Posted at ANI without notifying the users so as to not get flamed yesterday. Prior admin, El-C, who gave the article temporary EC protection two years ago moved it to indef basically right away. I made the edits to largely restore status quo ante and expanded a little. Don't know if the EC protection extends to article talk, but we'll see what happens, maybe the update will show up on their little discussion boards again. If so, I'll just sit tight on it and not engage see who shows up. Obviously it's on my Watchlist. Cheers, JesseRafe (talk) 16:38, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Suez

FYI a response to a comment you wrote a few months ago is here: [9]. Onceinawhile (talk) 23:35, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Activision v. California and Gamergate

I was going to ask this over on the Gamergate talk page but I don't have an account to beat the semi-protection. I was reading the lawsuit filed against Activision by the California Dept. of Labor and in the intro they cite Gamergate several times (see the footnotes) as an example of hostility to women in the field of video game development. I was wondering if that should go in the Gamergate article? Or would referencing the lawsuit itself constitute Original Research? 130.44.133.220 (talk) 04:26, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Usually for something like that it would be best to look for secondary sources that cover it, rather than citing the lawsuit directly. A lawsuit is a primary document and anyone can say whatever they want when suing someone else, so it's hard to say that it's WP:DUE until it has secondary coverage, and even if it is due we'd be very limited in what we could say about it without a secondary source to provide interpretation and analysis. --Aquillion (talk) 09:23, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wapo and NPR have now both covered the suit and mentioned Gamergate in their coverage: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/22/california-activision-blizzard-lawsuit-sexism/ and https://www.npr.org/2021/07/22/1019293032/activision-blizzard-lawsuit-unequal-pay-sexual-harassment-video-games. Is this enough yet? 130.44.133.220 (talk) 21:43, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some baklava for you!

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Proposed new start to Civilian

I note you have previously commented on the talk page for the Civilian article. There is currently a straw poll open and I would appreciate feedback. Hemmers (talk) 14:31, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your thoughts?

I'd be interested in your take on Wikipedia_talk:Consensus#Fresh_take_on_"unless_the_reason_for_them_is_obvious" Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 18:35, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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OR

Hey,

I wasn't sure who to ask this. I saw your vote on an AfD from 5 years ago and most of the other accounts who voted seemed inactive. You raised good concerns about OR and 5 years later many of those articles are still based on primary or not very reliable sources (eg Expedition of Alqammah bin Mujazziz). Should I go through them one by one and delete poorly sourced material, or should someone mass nominate them for deletion like before? VR _talk 06:27, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kenosha Unrest edit

I have added a citation for the domestic violence complaint against Jacob Blake. -- Frotz(talk) 09:25, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, your citation was the New York Post, which is not a reliable source; see WP:RSP. It is completely unusable for a claim of this severity. --Aquillion (talk) 09:28, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Watch disease / pandemic origins

Given exclusion of the disease/pandemic origins from WP:BMI by RFC: Disease / pandemic origins (subsequently reflected in Origins of COVID-19 (current consensus)) I would like to ask you to put the WT:BMI, WT:MEDRS, and WT:MED on your watch lists to ensure consistent application of the said RfC outcome. My best. AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 19:26, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mass killings under communist regimes

You are obviously correct about the the VoC's Dissident blog, and you clearly know how WEIGHT works, so I would like to kindly ask you if you could analyze the article more in deep. Because the whole article is essentially "he said, she said" but rather than attribute this to secondary coverage for each author's views,1 we cite it to the author themselves.2 This is not necessarily an issue because we are not disputing their reliability but whether their chapters or mentions about Communist regimes were cherry picked and misused to treat this as a separate or new topic.3 Additionally, while Valentino et al. are clearly secondary sources about the events (e.g. mass killings happened, many people have died, etc.), they become primary sources when they are putting forward their ideas and theories about it, which is what the main topic should be. Is this correct?

It does not mean that we cannot cite Valentino for what he said or thought, but it needs to be backed up by secondary coverage to make sure that we are representing him, and any other author, fairly — and that we are not cherry picking quotes and mentions about Communist regimes. If we cannot find such coverage, it means they are undue and should be removed; the fact that there is a lack of literature about MKuCR as currently structured, it shows that those scholars are acting in isolation and do not represent majority views — but we cannot write a NPOV from the POV of a minority, can't we? This is why the article must be rewritten around the only topic for which we have tertiary sources, i.e. this4 — the "victims of communism" narrative, 100 million deaths, communism as the main cause, therefore communism should be criminalized like Nazism.

I am asking you this because you are clearly good at source analysis, literature finding, and weight comparison. If you tell me I am wrong, I can move on and make peace with myself. In particular, I would like to ask you if The Four Deuces is correct—as I think they are—about SYNTH and grouping.5

Notes

1. A few exceptions are Rummel cited through Totten & Jacobs 2002, or Singh cited through Jahanbegloo 2014; however, none of this secondary works are about Communism (e.g. Totten & Jacobs 2002 is about genocide studies, and Jahanbegloo 2014 is about non-violence — this shows that such sources are cherry picked to push the view of Communism as a separate or special category, and new topic, when it is clearly not the case, and Communist regimes can simply be discussed at Mass killing, like any other regime type.

2. Another exception is Fitzpatrick 2008 (a work about the Russian Revolution) for a useless and decontextualized quote by Lenin. Fizpatrick is one of many wrongly used sources who do not operate or write within a Communist grouping as the article ostensibly does.

3. Compare secondary coverage of Valentino's work (quotes). Majority of sources do not discuss Communism as a separate category that warrants a new topic or article, unless we are discussing the theories and narratives, and Communist regimes (Stalin's, Mao's, and Pol Pot's regimes) are discussed within works about mass killings in general, and some sources do not discuss them together (Jones discusses Stalin and Mao together, and Pol Pot in a separate chapter, which proves TFD's point about lack of connection).

See also "'The Cold War Struggle (1): Capitalist Atrocities'. ... —Davide King ... An interesting source. That confirms an obvious notion that when some author group some fact into one book chapter, that does not implies a new topic is created." —Paul Siebert

4. I would really appreciate if you could comment on this topic, sources listed (you may add more), etc.

5. We need sources, and they need to represent a mainstream, majority viewpoint, making a connection between Communist regimes. To quote them:

Valentin[o] for example, while noting that mass killings have occurred under Communist regimes, provides no theory about the connection. It would be the same as if he said that there have been mass killings in Asia and we created an article called "Mass killings under Asian regimes." ...
While Valentino does say that, he does not elaborate on his theory. Furthermore, it would only justify creating an article on his theory, although the lack of secondary sources covering it meets it fails notability. ... I know that Valentino's book has a chapter called "Mass Killings under Communist Regimes," but it provides little that connects them and only discusses Stalinist USSR, Maoist China and Kampuchea. ...
The next source (Mann), says, "All accounts of 20th-century mass murder include the Communist regimes. Some call their deeds genocide, though I shall not. I discuss the three that caused the most terrible human losses: Stalin's USSR, Mao's China, and Pol Pot's Cambodia." That is consistent with what I said about Valentino's article: "it provides little that connects them and only discusses Stalinist USSR, Maoist China and Kampuchea." ...
The article title implies a causal connection between Communist regimes and mass killings. Unless we can show that reliable sources have made that connection, it is synthesis or the topic lacks WP:Notablity. Note we do not have an article "Languages in Communist countries" although we might have articles about languages in North America or languages in the EU. If there is no connection, then what is the point of an article? We had a similar discussion about Jews and Communism, which implied that there was a connection between Jews and Communism. (See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jews and Communism (2nd nomination).)

Thank you in advance if you will find the time to read this and do such analysis. Davide King (talk) 08:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In regards to this, I agree. We actually have WP:MKUCRSA, and I think your comments would be very helpful. Here and here, you can see the most cited sources, though they have been mainly used in support of A/C. For a proposal for B, with non-primary literature, you may find this useful. Davide King (talk) 14:43, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Thomas Sowell

Hi! I wanted to ask why Thomas Sowell's part under Commentary -> Economists got completely removed (Minimum wage in the United States). I fully understand where the WP:UNDUE argument is coming from, but if that's the case, the paragraph citing Paul Krugman's arguments should also be removed. Can we find common ground here? (as always, WP:FAITH) 46.193.66.211 (talk) 13:51, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Crowder

Just wanted to give you a heads up; I’ve reverted your addition per the core content policy WP:VNOTSUFF. The content very well may be suitable for inclusion, and consensus may well find that to be the case, but the policy now requires that consensus to be garnered (and with it being a BLP, this is especially so). Please bring up the issue on the talk page and allow a discussion to take place. And I hope you understand I’m not taking a position on your edit, this is just to ensure we follow necessary protocols at this stage. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 21:41, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your statement on the Crowder BLPN thread

Just wanted to thank you for your articulate reply in the thread. You made some great points but there are some minor disagreements on how the guideline applies here that I'm excited to reply with in the morning. Fun debate! A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 01:09, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Finley on Uyghur genocide

I whole heartedly agree with your excellent post on the RfC at Uyghur genocide, but thought you would want to know that Finley is a she. "Joanne Smith Finley joined Newcastle University in January 2000, where she is Reader in Chinese Studies". Pincrete (talk) 09:32, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion at Talk:Detransition § Regarding the James Shupe Entry Of This Page:

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Detransition § Regarding the James Shupe Entry Of This Page:. I think your advice here may be beneficial. Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:37, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A beer for you!

For wading into the morass at Orania, Northern Cape, your comments in the discussion were most refreshing after endless back and forth :) CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:30, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note

I wanted to make a comment about this thread https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1089#Invalid_vandalism_warning. and to address the "chip on my shoulder" comment by Bbb23.

Yes Bbb23 struck the vandalism warning, but I have seen terrible behavior from that admin before. That admin flags people and blocks people for no reason, and then when called out on it, Bbb23 removes that discussion. Years ago, Bbb23 reverted legitimate AFDs as "spam" even though all articles were actually deleted via AFD later on.

How do I know this? Bbb23 was a fellow admin with me, but I left. Bbb23 does more damage to WP than help. Bbb23 thinks far too much is spam, and then takes an authoritarian stance when called out on it.

I'm shocked, simply shocked, that Bbb23 actually relented and realized my latest edits were not spam. Of course they weren't. But Bbb23 admitting one mistake in 20 years is just not good enough.

Chip on my shoulder? About Bbb23, you bet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.86.46.50 (talk) 14:17, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Azov Battalion

I have started a discussion in which you may care to comment at [[10]] Cheers Elinruby (talk) 00:45, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dronebogus harassment

This guy has been giving me trouble and harassing me. can you ban him or send in the word of his harassment up to the chain of command? Pleas Persesus (talk) 07:11, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Consider reading WP:BOOMERANG. Also I’ve reported you for vandalizing my talk page. Dronebogus (talk) 07:46, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RE: 3RR violation on Azov Battalion

If you think I violated the three reversal rule. Have you already filed a complaint?--Berposen (talk) 22:02, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you think that for this moment, the denounce is prudent. Do it, greetings.--Berposen (talk) 22:10, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Daily Wire Article Possible Bias Concerns

Hey Aquillion,

I removed the clause in the main paragraph of the Daily Wire Wikipedia Article, "Its coverage of the COVID-19 pandemic has been described as "junk health news," is a clause that specifies certain criticism that has already been mentioned in the Accuracy section of the article. By placing specific criticism of the Daily Wire on the main paragraph, you misrepresent the article's neutrality and present a biased perspective. On 5/4/22 23:09, but you reverted the removal of the clause with the reason that the description of the Daily Wire as "junk health news" is a key point, thus can be used in the main paragraph.

The Oxford Report — titled "Social Media Misinformation about the WHO" — only mentions the Daily Wire once in their examination, and their role is used as a support for its section's main examination of The Daily Caller. The citation is a minor mention of the Daily Wire and is by no means important enough to be in the main paragraph.

To keep 3RR, we ought to best agree before proceeding further. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GuardianH (talk • contribs) 19:33, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration case opened

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Quick question

Hi Aquillion. Per your question here, does that imply that you're currently preparing to submit evidence about ARS to the case, beyond the specific evidence you've already submitted about 7&6=thirteen? I was considering doing a deeper dive on ARS canvassing and battleground mentality, and refactoring the evidence I provided to focus more heavily on that. But if this is something that you're already working on, then I might spend my time elsewhere. —⁠ScottyWong⁠— 14:05, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, I haven't done anything beyond what I've posted yet. My question was mostly trying to get a sense of whether it would be useful to do it in the future. --Aquillion (talk) 19:25, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I refactored my evidence, and also did a quick analysis of the last year's worth of rescue-tagged AfDs. See User:Scottywong/ARS canvassing survey if you're interested. —⁠ScottyWong⁠— 18:06, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would pay attention to the reply I got from an arb in the discussion you linked; it is probably more useful to focus on evidence that relates to individuals. This isn't totally unexpected - realistically ArbCom isn't going to take action against a Wikiproject unless its core purpose is so egregiously against Wikipedia policy that it calls for the At Wits' End principle, which isn't the case here. Otherwise they would effectively be creating policy. Also, I mean... at this point most meaningful ARS activity amounts to a handful of editors anyway, so it's easier to just look at them and see if there are issues. Like, based on your own data, there are just a few really active ARS members; if there are issues with what ARS is doing then that should also show up as, and be easy to demonstrate as, issues with their own individual conduct. --Aquillion (talk) 18:56, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment re parity

I don't think what you said in the last sentence here was what you meant to say. Surely you're arguing against making it easier, not harder? —Cryptic 00:47, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, fixed. --Aquillion (talk) 02:26, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BEFORE and speedy keep

Hi. Thanks for your tip on the workshop talk page. I will keep it in mind as I organize my evidence. Regarding your WP:BEFORE evidence, WT:Speedy keep/Archive 4#Failure to follow WP:BEFORE rejected enforcing it using speedy keep. The discussion was from 2014–2015 with fairly low participation, so you may not find it worthwhile to include. Flatscan (talk) 04:35, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notification

FYI, WP:3O says "Be sure to provide a notification of your request on the other editor's Talk page." Accordingly I note that I added a request on Wikipedia:Third_opinion#Active_disagreements re Talk:The Post Millennial#Ankle monitors. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:31, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ONUS disputed tag

I'm not understanding why you feel that the tag at NOCON requires or is equivalent to the tag you have placed at ONUS. ONUS merely states that Verification is an necessary but not sufficient condition for inclusion in an article. It's to prevent tendentious reinsertion of irrelevant or UNDUE text with the sole justification being that it appears in a Reliable Source. As you know, we see that quite frequently. But the NOCON bit and some editors' unfortunate extension of ONUS to apply to changes in longstanding text (notwithstanding other reasons to prefer longstanding text) is without basis and paradoxically leads to the same kind of edit-warring ONUS is intended to forestall. I think your tag in NOCON is fine, but I'd ask you to reconsider the one in ONUS, which I think is a different matter and not "disputed" in the same way that the NOCON sentence is disputed or unclear. SPECIFICO talk 12:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't add the tag on NOCON; I'd lean towards having neither tagged, but I object to tagging only one during a dispute over a conflict between the two of them, since that gives the impression that ONUS is uncontroversial while NOCON is not. And while the first sentence of ONUS is not disputed, look at the talk page; there is clearly substantial disagreement over what the last part of the paragraph means. --Aquillion (talk) 12:58, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Right, I know you are not responsible for the NOCON tag. I think we agree as to the central point wrt ONUS as well. I'm just saying that "disputed" sounds as if some follks believe that Verification is sufficient for inclusion at any time and place. I just wonder whether the ONUS tag needs to stay for as long as the NOCON tag is in place? As to the larger issue, I'm at a loss to understand how there could be such widespread and varied misreading of the very simple language in the current ONUS text. It's quite remarkable. SPECIFICO talk 13:13, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's only intended for the last sentence; it could be made specific to that. Regarding the larger issue, I think that it's a combination of factors. One issue is ONUS' wording is so simple (because that page wasn't really the right place to put it); another is that WP:ONUS has unusually sweeping language compared to our actual dispute-resolution policies and guidelines, which leads people to reach for it to "win" disputes. I don't generally think policies worded like that are a good idea - they don't encourage useful discussions or compromises; instead, they push people towards bludgeoning each other with red tape and process-wonkery. A policy that explains what our ultimate goal is and why it's that way is generally more useful than a policy saying "always do X". I also think there's a divide between people who are picturing WP:ONUS primarily as something getting invoked in good-faith disputes between experienced editors, and people who see it as mostly existing for use against inexperienced, bad-faith, or WP:TENDENTIOUS editors. This is probably also related to how it ended up in WP:V - WP:CONSENSUS is something that is mostly referred to while dealing with experienced editors in good faith, for intricate disputes that involve complex enough and prolonged enough arguments to require guidance on how to resolve them. WP:V is more basic and while obviously its intricacies matter everywhere, citing V as your core objection is more likely to happen when dealing with inexperienced editors, probable hoaxes, etc. You can see this in a lot of the examples people are posting to argue for a maximalist interpretation, which tends to presume the need to block innumerable hoaxes or which focus on the idea of people trying to "get away" with something. I don't think it's feasible to have a dispute-resolution policy premised on that sort of assumption. (I also don't think that ONUS, if actually enforced the way they suggest, would have the effect they want it to - part of the problem with stridently-worded policies is that they themselves can become tools in the hands of the same bad actors they're intended to stop. We reach good outcomes by encouraging people to focus on the outcome, not process-wonkery. Completely honestly, I do not think I have ever seen an invocation of ONUS improve discussions in any way - not in terms of resolving things, not in terms of getting people to understand each other's positions, nothing. It mostly derails things into pointless process-wonkery. The principle of the first sentence is important but the idea of "I don't need to explain my position, the ONUS is on you" is an unhelpful way to frame it.) --Aquillion (talk) 13:51, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, thanks for taking the time to lay that out. I find myself repeatedly having to point out that text can be longstanding with almost no editor scrutiny or awareness -- this is actually the case more often than not on our millions of article pages -- and that while there can be a strong implicit consensus on actively edited pages, that is not the most frequent circumstance. But at any rate, I would have no objection to moving ONUS to the NPOV page, from which it could just as easily be cited and with more supporting context. SPECIFICO talk 14:32, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey. Just wanted to say I really do not appreciate being taken out of context in the Talk:July–August 2022 United States floods#RfC about mentioning of climate change discussion. You probably will just ignore this request, but I would ask if you changed your statement to reflect the meaning of my statement instead of the (not even) word-for-word statement. Not taking someone out of context shows respect for the other user, and right now, I have lost a lot of respect for you as an editor with this incident. Elijahandskip (talk) 14:33, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to provide a diff. I think the context of your comment was pretty clear and while you may think you have effectively masked your agenda, I think Aquillion was dead-on in their evaluation. Shame, that. I think people pursuing degrees in meteorology ought not to be so blinkered by politics that they think teaching people about climate change is somehow "controversial". jps (talk) 17:11, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AN/I

I think reverting GiantSnowman's close was a bad call, would you consider undoing that? I feel like little benefit in having parallel discussions. 28bytes (talk) 14:47, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like someone else has already closed it again, so I'll just let it lie. But I think it's a mistake to close it, since at least one arbitrator, Worm, has said in the RFAR that I believe we should wait until the ANI thread reaches it's conclusion. Closing a discussion that an Arbitrator has said they want to see play out before starting a case because that case has been requested makes no sense. In particular whether the community endorses the indefinite block, turning it into a community one, would be vital and might mean that all ArbCom has to do is desysop by motion; since an indeffed administrator can't do anything, there is no need to rush to drop the entire question on ArbCom when ANI was in the process of handling it. --Aquillion (talk) 15:14, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Aquillion. I am glad it’s (re-)closed, but I understand your reasoning and I appreciate your response. 28bytes (talk) 15:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I closed on the basis that ANI had reached its conclusion, given it was at ArbCom... Giant Snowman 17:00, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, one more thing - I didn't get a notification that my edit was undone, meaning that it was done manually rather than clicking 'undo' - please can I ask why this was? Giant Snowman 17:35, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I started an RfC on Male expendability. Let's invite the community to help us settle this. Here's the link: [11] Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:31, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Second RSN discussion on reliable sources citing unreliable sources

Hey. I said I'd notify you when I made the other RSN discussion. You can find it at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Lipstick Lesbian Pride Flag controversy. Sideswipe9th (talk) 02:19, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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While Round and Roudner was a sockpuppet, previous consensus for the article was to include the names and the edit there was simply to revert an edit done without discussion on the talk page. Per WP:BLOCKEVADE However, this does not mean that edits must be reverted just because they were made by a blocked editor (obviously helpful changes, such as fixing typos or undoing vandalism, can be allowed to stand), but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert. I will be reverting the change, and re-including the names. Cheers! Freedom4U (talk) 20:17, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish collaboration with Nazi Germany

Normally it would be helpful to link a section about this to a main page rather than a category; however it's exactly the same text without the tagging. I tried to remove it as undue, since we have collaboration in other countries that affected hundreds of people that remains unmentioned, and I don't agree with the hyperfocus on the Warsaw ghetto. However, it was reverted back in, in addition to the new article. Given that and the input I've received from another editor that there are worse problems, I've been working on those, and verifying the references in the section, in particular the very-overused Times of Israel reference, which got a scathing reception at RSN. Just saying, I don't revert people, but I think you should reconsider that edit, and btw I could use some help with this article if you are so inclined. if so see the talk page. Elinruby (talk) 01:55, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly don't disagree that that article is terrible; but that means that it ought to be either fixed to be not-terrible, deleted, or merged to elsewhere. Linking to it means more people will see it which ultimately means that it's more likely that one of those outcomes will occur; and in any case it's weird to link to the category when we have a main article. While the sourcing is still an issue, I just tweaked it to fix what I feel is the most glaring deviation from the source. --Aquillion (talk) 02:46, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mobile editing

I don't know if you can help me, but on my Android, talk pages are now formatted oddly, with no TOC. I don't like it. Do you know anything about this? -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 18:05, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Scratch that. I think I found the problem. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 18:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RSN

since we have to evaluate the way potential misconduct could slant the sources when eg. looking at our section on the source in our article on it. The section was written by me and I have neither edited the topic area prior to the G&K article nor been acquainted with Icewhiz. There was some intense discussion at t/p where others appear to concede the unavailability of reliable sources that portray Glaukopis in a positive light. TrangaBellam (talk) 11:58, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you; advice

Thanks for sticking with the original issue concerning the mass removal of "committed suicide" over at ANI. Every additional voice today seems to have been taking issue with me, my opinions, my justifications for bringing it to ANI, etc. and trying to respond meaningfully and intelligently to them all is wearing me out. I know you have no particular reason to help me out any further, but I don't want to drag in uninvolved editors just because I'm beginning to feel personally attacked—something I've tried to avoid saying explicitly over there for fear of inviting warnings about civility and assuming good faith—and it's becoming hard for me to do that when it feels like none of the arguments go to whether the behaviour I reported was or wasn't disruptive.

Something particularly upsetting was said to me tonight concerning a suggestion I made on another page to add something to the list of alternative formulations for "committed suicide"—something I think is unrelated to my report, although obviously my thought was prompted by the discussion. One of the editors who hadn't posted until today said that I had no business suggesting anything of the sort while the report was under discussion—or for the rest of the year—which I perceive as a thinly veiled threat of retaliation for making the report and continuing to defend myself for having made it. Perhaps I'm being paranoid, but it really does feel like I'm being told to stay away from the topic for the foreseeable future, and I don't know of any Wikipedia policies that would support that action based solely on the discussion at ANI.

I don't know what to do about it—obviously making another report at ANI would be courting disaster, although I suspect that threatening other editors, explicitly or implicitly, in retaliation for their arguments in other forums is potentially a serious breach of Wikipedia policy. I know that constantly having to reply to one accusation after another is emotionally draining, which I think is the point—making people sorry for reporting something/arguing something that you disagree with. Or as I said, I might just be paranoid. Do you have any advice, or am I barking up the wrong tree? P Aculeius (talk) 04:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Wheelwarring

Hi, Aquillion. Your reference to WP:WHEEL at the RFAR is a mistake. Read the policy and you'll see there has been no wheelwarring. Bishonen | tålk 13:13, 19 July 2023 (UTC).[reply]

Whoops, fixed. But the basic point is the same; an ArbCom case should examine the behavior of everyone involved (even if it's likely to find that some of them did nothing wrong) and should avoid a title that overtly casts the blame on one editor from the start. --Aquillion (talk) 15:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Closure implementation

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I suggest that you undo that reversion. Reverting a close is considered disruptive and can result in sanction.

If you disagree with the close, open a discussion at WP:AN. - jc37 15:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The close itself and its precise implementation are different things; the discussion on talk plainly failed the WP:CONLEVEL for the implementation you suggested. You have sufficient experience as an editor to understand the difference. --Aquillion (talk) 15:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Your edits on Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not

Per WP:CONLEVEL, the level of consensus and participation necessary to change a policy page is higher than you can reasonably claim exists on the talk page or in the (extremely minimal) discussion of the matter in the discussion you closed. I am not disputing your close, or I would have reverted that; I am saying that the discussion you closed demonstrates insufficient consensus for the change you are proposing, since your proposal was not significantly discussed there. Simply closing a discussion does not grant you limitless leeway to invent new changes to policy pages yourself and then immediately implement them; you can only assess the consensus of what was actually discussed, and only to the degree and with the WP:CONLEVEL that it was discussed. If you disagree and think that sufficient consensus exists, you need to go back to talk and demonstrate that the consensus actually exists; edit-warring it into the article now that your WP:BOLD change has been disputed by multiple editors is inappropriate. --Aquillion (talk) 15:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BOLD is about edits without a prior consensus. Implementing a close is not a BOLD edit.

If you consider your concerns about the close to be valid, I suggest you take your concerns to WP:AN. - jc37 15:25, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Again, per WP:CONLEVEL, you cannot simply point to arbitrary discussions as a justification for arbitrary changes to policy pages - the standard there is higher than on a random article. Your proposed changes were not meaningfully discussed in the discussion you closed; therefore, the wording of your close makes no difference - your edits are not an "implementation" of them but a WP:BOLD revision of policy. If you believe that a consensus exists for your proposal you should be able to rapidly start a new discussion focused on that and demonstrate it, but you can't simply rewrite a policy page in arbitrary ways based on the fact that you were the one who closed the RFC; neither can you make arbitrary claims in a closing statement that don't relate to the topic of discussion, then demand that other people go to WP:AN if they want to undo your changes. Policy pages need to be stable and based on clear positive consensus. --Aquillion (talk) 15:28, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Due to continued reversion, opened a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Reverting_a_close. - jc37 15:44, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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More suspicious activity at Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs

A brand-new user issued an edit request that is a near verbatim copy of a previous request by a then-undisclosed COI editor. Thirteen minutes later, another brand-new account supported both editors' requested changes. This stinks on ice, could you have a look? Thanks, Xan747 (talk) 15:58, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Sockpuppetry on Talk:Sweet Baby Inc.

I believe that User:Edits for Integrity is a sockpuppet of User:Moon darker since the first account repeats nothing but his exact opinion on Talk:Sweet Baby Inc., and has no other edits besides that page. As a more experienced Wikipedia editor, can you do further due diligence and, if you believe it is a sockpuppet, file a report? I would greatly appreciate it, as I am dumbfounded why people care so much about culture war topics like this to create such a long debate. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's certainly possible, but in a situation like this distinguishing between WP:SOCK, WP:MEAT, WP:CANVASSed users, and users who just saw something that got them mad and headed over to Wikipedia to update an article about it can be difficult. As a lot of the sources say, the narratives about this sort of thing get hammered out on Discords and subreddits and spread through them and social media, so it's unsurprising we'd see a lot of people with the same views all at once. In this case they have somewhat different writing styles and have a lot of interleaved comments replying to different people (eg. [13][14][15], all in the same minute.) Is it possible for someone to fake that? Sure, but I don't think it's likely they're doing that in this case. Of course, this doesn't preclude them being canvassed or meatpuppets or whatever, but usually in a situation like this, that sort of thing is better-handled with more sweeping actions... like the semi-protection the article is currently under, limiting the amount of damage meatpuppets or sockpuppets can do; or tagging WP:SPIs, as someone was doing earlier, so the fact that the talk page may be the focus of that sort of activity is taken into account. --Aquillion (talk) 01:24, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've never done anything in wiki before. never felt that this page was this dishonest anymore. I for one, will never be visiting this site again. once you lose all confidence in the medium a new wiki with more integrity will have a chance to appear. Edits for Integrity (talk) 15:32, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

never felt that this page was this dishonest before* Edits for Integrity (talk) 15:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given your account's lack of constructive contributions in the first place, and it's questionable motivations based on your username, I suspect we'll recover just fine. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 16:14, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Edelman Family Foundation

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How should we treat the Simpson case discussion?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_murders_(1980%E2%80%931999)#1990%E2%80%931994

Brown and Goldman appear in the 1994 article on "unsolved murders". In addition, I have started a discussion as to whether how we should reflect's Simpson's culpability for the murders, now that he is dead. The talk section is "How should we treat Simpson's “culpability” in the murders; neutral or adamant?" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:O._J._Simpson#How_should_we_treat_Simpson's_%E2%80%9Cculpability%E2%80%9D_in_the_murders;_neutral_or_adamant? 92.17.198.220 (talk) 08:49, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit to Left-libertarianism

Hi, I noticed you recently reverted an edit of mine to left-libertarianism. I would like to question your reasoning for this revert, but first I'll explain my rationale for both changes. First, I uncapitalized "individualist" because it is not a proper noun, as it is not an organization, and is not an ideology derivative from a name. It specifies the ideology of individualist anarchism, while focusing on the US. Second off, I added the inline for unbalanced opinion because the text makes the assertion of property that "gives privilege and is exploitative," which implies property which does this, and does not specify what this property is anyway, as it uses an ideological definition. Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 12:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed decision in the Venezuelan politics case posted

The proposed decision in the open Venezuelan politics arbitration case has been posted. Comments on the proposed decision may be brought to the attention of the committee at the talk page. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 17:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kiwi Farms

Thank you for reverting my edit here. I believe that, in the moment, I thought that the article saying "stated" would mean that the involvement of Kiwi Farms was confirmed. You're completely right that it does not confirm that and that "stated" does not mean "confirmed," I appreciate the correction. JeffSpaceman (talk) 10:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reopened 2021 RfC for Heterodox Academy

Hi Aquillion. Thanks for joining the current discussions at HA, and for pointing out your 2021 RfC. I don't believe I've ever seen a RfC reopened other than when it was closed too quickly. From my reading of Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment#Restarting_an_RfC, which I wasn't previously aware, there appears to be no time limit if it wasn't formally closed. Is that your understanding? --Hipal (talk) 22:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was the one who re-added the RFC tag, but someone else initially dredged it out of the history and started adding !votes to it. I did think it was odd, but I went with adding the tag and completing the re-opening rather than objecting because... well, what would objecting accomplish? WP:CCC applies, so even if I'd undone the re-opening (awkward when people were already weighing in) they would certainly be within their rights to just start another RFC after three years; reverting or objecting would just waste everyone's time. Better to just add the tag so this one gets properly broadcast and let it run. I would assume that after so long, for material that was clearly disputed, the status quo would be to omit it - WP:QUO / WP:ONUS applies and a nocon outcome will not result in it being restored, if that's what you're worried about. -- Aquillion (talk) 01:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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